Talk Loudly… (Part Three)

January 27th, 2010 by Inkslinger


Lately, it has come to our attention that the link to the original “Good Night, Mr. Lewis” story on Abbe Diaz is permanently defunct, possibly due to Steve Lewis’s defection last year from Joonbug to BlackBook magazine. Due to popular demand, we hereby re-create the entire article but, for the sake of clarity, verity and comprehension, have taken the liberty of editing those portions in which the original was remiss (a copy of the article in its original un-edited state is currently hosted here).


Abbe Diaz: Talk Loudly And Carry A Big Stick…Too (Part Three)

Over the past two days I’ve spoken with Abbe Diaz (see part one and part two). Continue after the jump for the third and final part of my conversation with Abbe.

Steve Lewis: Did you miss me?

Abbe Diaz: Of course, I miss you everyday. Well not anymore, cuz now I can read all about you. That Down by the Hipster thing was so funny.

SL: Did you see what I wrote.

AD: I did.

SL: No, you didn’t, you saw what he made me write. I’m a mellow guy now. Josh was right, I took the high road. It did make me laugh. My girl teased me about it.

AD: Oh, you have it light. If you had any clue what people say about me, to me, at me.

SL: So you were talking about what people say about you. Tell me why anybody would attack you?

AD: Good fucking question.
OK, honestly I know the answer; it’s just a snowball thing.

SL: You attacked the powers that be. If you attack someone in his castle he will throw stones down upon you forever.

AD: Maybe.

SL: OK, you tell me, why? Why are you being attacked?

AD: I sort of narrowed it down to episodes here and there. They do snowball. It’s very small communities, these writer— blogger— shitheads.

JoonBug: People like Gawker and Eater.

AD: What happens is one of them says something bullshittish and I’m supposed to be like "Whatever." But, I’m not— I’m like, "Fuck you."

SL: Eater is this big website; Ben Leventhal is the guy’s name.

AD: Giant Ass. Apparently from what I gather there are a couple of partners. One guy is cool, he’s totally cool, but the other one, what is his problem?

SL: Good Cop, Bad Cop?

AD: No, he’s just an ass.

SL: What I meant was sometimes in business one guy’s really nice and one guy’s a real asshole, and the good guy can always say, "Hey, I’d love to do it, but my partner won’t." That’s good cop, bad cop. Maybe Ben is the bad cop in their relationship.

AD: Mmm… you know it’s kind of a misunderstanding, but not really a misunderstanding. I launched the forum on like March 14th, and the following day there was some stuff about some restaurant. It just so happened that that chef of that restaurant wants to come to the industry forum— and that’s what it’s there for— and vent, you know, about some shit. So that’s fine, vent— but it just so happened that she was venting about the man I’m dating. Check that shit out, isn’t that crazy? That’s like cosmic freakiness. So she goes and she spouts blah blah blah. Now just picture it, someone comes on your blog to your little comment section and says nasty things about your girlfriend. Wouldn’t you be upset?

SL: Not me, ‘cause I know my girl. She’s 5’11” and she will knock the motherfucker out.

AD: But he won’t knock someone out, that’s the problem, he’s a lover not a fighter… Then of course this whole thing gets blown up all out of proportion and it gets found out that that chef is friends with Ben Leventhal…
…What he does [with Eater] now, I don’t agree with… what we do is different, I don’t have ads on my site, I’m not a business, I am a "blog" in the purest sense. I don’t make any money on it, so if I use my blog as my voice then hey, that’s what it’s there for. But, he uses this supposedly objective website for his own personal agenda, and to me there’s just something not quite right about that. Or if you are going to do that at least have the balls to put it right out there and sign your name to it.

SL: I’m going to disagree with you. I say a blog is your personal agenda.

AD: OK, some. In yours, in mine.

SL: I’m saying, just because they’re making money at it doesn’t mean that they can’t have a personal agenda too.

AD: OK, that’s fine. Then be honest about it. Say, look, this is my problem, I don’t like you cuz such and such said this about so and so, and that person’s my friend.

SL: But, that’s your job, because you’re the one who exposes these things. Down By The Hipster, they’re the ones who are exposing these things. Guys like me, I don’t really expose too much, I try not to gossip. You can do it, you can bang back at him. Why don’t you bang back at him?

AD: Oh, I do. But that’s what so annoying— cuz it’s like he doesn’t just attack me, he attacks the people and the places and the events around me, which is not right. You don’t go and fuck with innocent people’s shit just because you have a fucking problem Watch, I’m going to take so much shit for this. I know it.

SL: Well do you want us to print this or not?

AD: Oh I don’t know. On the one hand I don’t care, on the other hand, I’m so tired of this nonsense.

SL: Let me tell you something about you. I think you’re hot, I think you’re a beautiful girl. But, the hottest thing about Abbe Diaz is she’s got balls and she’s got brains and she’s never going to take shit.

AD: Who would? If somebody gets all in your shit, who’s gonna be like, "Eh."

SL: Most of the world, Abbe. Most of the world takes shit from other people. You get out there and write a book, that’s why you’re controversial because you don’t take shit. The rest of the world takes shit. I don’t take shit too much, well much more than I used to…

AD: I don’t think people take shit, I just think that they’re not up front about not taking their shit. What’s it called? Passive aggressive.

SL: But you get in people’s faces.

AD: You know— look, if someone attacks you, you’re going to slap them back, right across the face. That’s the part that I don’t understand— cuz, like— me, I slap back and they go, "Oh my god, we totally started it, but can you believe she slapped us back?! She’s awful, what a bitch crazy nut job."

SL: Abbe, you are a fighter, and that’s why you’re relevant and that’s why I’m interviewing you today.

AD: But you watch, mark my words. You’ve been doing so well and who’s this kid, the one on Gawker that likes you so much, Hamilton Nolan.

SL: I don’t know.

AD: He’s fucking in love with you. And then I’ve seen you on Grub Street, Josh Ozersky, whatever, I guess he kinda likes you too. Guaranteed, mark my words, this interview will never hit either one of those blogs. This interview, no fucking way.

SL: Because they don’t like you so therefore you’re irrelevant, is that what you’re saying? Look, if you said something Ghandi-esque, or incredibly beautiful, earth shattering, you don’t think it would appear anywhere?

AD: Are you joking? Totally… Josh Stein, that jerk face, do you know who that is?

JoonBug: No.

AD: He used to write for Gawker, and now he does cameos covering that Top Chef thing. He said the most awful thing about me with a full on post with my picture and everything, and all of it was untrue. So, I turn around and I’m like you mother fucker, none of that is true. Even New York magazine’s Grub Street proved him wrong.

SL: So you got your point across using your blog and your side was told.

AD: Basically, I guess. But then, essentially as an answer to what he said, I pulled out this beautiful Gabriel Garcia Marquez quote— do you ever think it saw the light of day? They should have retracted or updated or something.

SL: Now what did you do?

AD: They accused me of being another anonymous blogger… It turns out we’re friendly now, because it was just such a hilarious thing. So they accused me of being her, and it was flat out proven that that blogger was not me. In fact, her story is ten times more interesting than mine, she’s like the "three million dollar bartender" from Boston, you know.

SL: What is a three million dollar bartender?

AD: She got a three million dollar tip to go open her own place.

SL: She must have made a great drink.

AD: Ha haa, I ain’t going there… She’s a friend of mine, sorry… So they accused me of being that blogger, because she was blogging some hilarious things about some people. So they were like, "there goes bashit crazy Abbe Diaz again…" But then when it comes out in the open that it’s not me, you think they would be like, "My bad, it wasn’t Abbe Diaz after all," wouldn’t you?

SL: It’s not like the papers, which is a slower medium, this blog stuff moves fast.

AD: All they would have to do, like they do with so many other stories, is update. An "update" is a very standard thing for bloggers to do.

SL: Well let’s update it right now. Oh, I guess we did we just did.

AD: Do you really think this is going to be on Gawker tomorrow? No way! This is my point, my simple point. Your question, "What if I were to say something beautiful?" — Well, this is a prime example, I did say something beautiful— I was using somebody else’s words, but I was so proud of myself on that rebuttal, I was patting myself on the back. Did anyone ever see it? On my blog, sure.

SL: Let me say something. Abbe you’re an incredible person. I sweat you. I think you’re the coolest. You are beautiful, dynamic, unbelievable, and I’m really glad my readers will get to know you.

AD: Thank you Steve Lewis. But, it’s all for naught. You’ll see.

I am a neophyte in this world of blogs. I did get my dander up a few times when something said about me seemed unfair. Maybe I haven’t gotten big enough here to be attacked as Abbe seems to be attacked. The blogosphere fascinates me. I come from a different place. You booked an act or party, you printed an invite, and you had all these kids standing on corners near clubs handing them out, and then that night you opened the doors, the people come, you had a party, and at the end of the night you counted the money. Rinse and repeat. There was a physical connect with the consumer through that flyer and there was time to think, as events were promoted at least a week in advance. Pauses could be taken for breaths, reflections, or even diversions. It’s so fast now. I write this, press the send button, and in an hour you read it. Text messaging redirects consumers from one club to another in the middle of the party. Cell phone calls and emails reach countless masses instantly. I get fifty invites a day to parties happening tonight, tomorrow or sometimes in an hour.

Silicon and plastic have created a distance between the club operator and the consumer. Even if you wanted to punch someone in the nose it would just be an image on MySpace or Facebook and the impact and satisfaction just wouldn’t be the same.

Good Night,

Mr. Lewis
Interview conducted and written by Steve Lewis.
Interview has been edited and condensed.



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6 Responses to “Talk Loudly… (Part Three)”

  1. Dick Johnson Says:

    LOL. Joonbug did you a favor – it’s so much better now.

  2. Inkslinger Says:

    It is, isn’t it? :D

    I should also point out that all the large text is emphasis:their’s.

  3. Inkslinger Says:

    Hey Abbester, I also found out that the comments have been removed from the Josh Ozersky Grub St. link.

    Guess that just goes to show how good it is that they were saved and they’ll be in PX This Too for posterity! :D

  4. virgo Says:

    i do remember it was torture trying to read it the first time. it wasn’t edited well at all, and the interviewer talks too much about himself instead of the person he’s interviewing.

    it prob would have been better as a video…..

  5. MILFweed Says:

    It is amazing how the voice/tone changes when you read what Abbs is saying written by someone else rather than when she writes it in her own style. That’s also what makes this interview a little annoying. There is too much stress in all the wrong places.

  6. MILFweed Says:

    It will also be good to see it all unfolding chronologically all in one place. The info is too scattered all over the way it is now.

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